Concert Sinatra EOTC

 

Song 1, I Have Dreamed.  I can hear no significant differences, aside from compression.  Here’s a clip of the very opening, going back and forth, 1987 CD first.  I discern no difference in hiss levels.


Click to listen IHaveStarted.wav


The EOTC also has one of those odd fades that I mentioned in-thread, where the source tape is cut off, and digital reverb is allowed to continue, presumably to help mask the fact that the source is hissy.


Click to listen IHavereverbed.wav


Song 2, My Heart Stood Still.  Same story as song 1, including the doll’d up reverb ending.


Song 3, Lost in the Stars.  I think this song is remixed start to finish.  It’s a messed up recording to start with, in my opinion, with that funky splice in the woodwind parts.  See here.


Things get off to a bumpy start with that splice, then continue with an odd “faded up Frank” opening line, that sounds remixed (less of a fade-up) in the EOTC version:


Click to listen BeforeLord8799.wav


You may recall that quite a ways back in the thread, I mentioned that there was something fishy with the mix on this song for a long stretch about a minute in.  The vocal sounds “off,” and the balance and stereo imaging are off in the orchestra.  All the clips below (and on this entire page) have the 1987 CD first, followed by the EOTC.  Listen to how weak the left channel is on the 1987 version on the two clips included below, and how the left channel is suddenly restored on the EOTC:


Click to listen LostSamples.wav


That odd, right-heavy stuff continues until a very obvious splice between the words “say” and “and,” just as the bassoon enters, when the left channel miraculously returns at full volume, but even after that splice, it sounds to me like the EOTC is a different mix, with heavier emphasis on the strings.


Click to listen LostSplice.wav


The ending has to be a remix, as it has that extended vocal line.  See here.


Song 4, Ol’ Man River.  There are spots where things are right-heavy again, but in a different way.  In this case, at spots like “You don’t, das make the bossman frown,” everything, including Frank’s vocal, leans to the right on the 87, and less so on the 99, but that could just be an alignment issue, not a remix issue.  I think we can dismiss that. 


Looking further ahead in the song, there’s the rightfully-famous sustained vocal note, which gets weewee, weewee qwiet.  How do hiss levels compare? 


Click to listen jail.wav


The track ends with another doctored up, digital reverb fade-out.  I don’t think this track is remixed at all.


Track 5, You’ll Never Walk Alone.  I can discern no mix differences here.  UPDATE: See addendum below.  This may be a partial or even full remix.


Track 6, Bewitched.  The opening is apparently a remix, as the vocal is much drier than on the previous CD.  See here again.  I wouldn’t be shocked if this whole song is remixed.  Listen to the flutes and reverb: AmI.wav


My jury is out on the ending.  I think that at “I’ll cling to her,” building up to that big climax, things may revert back to the original mix, but it’s really hard to tell.


Track 7 This Nearly was Mine.  Hard to tell.  I think that this is the original mix for most of the song, but there does appear to be one small stretch from about 1:58 to 2:32 where it may be remixed.  (Could be remixed due to tape damage on the two track?  Hard to say without actually handling the tapes!)    Anyway, at this juncture, it sounds like it may be a remixed, but not really to make it sound “different.”  Perhaps it was just to make it mesh with the rest of the song?  Have a listen - Now.wav


Is it just me, or does the EOTC sound a hair drier?


There’s a splice in the EOTC that I don’t detect in the 1987 version, in the middle of the word “was,” and I think this may be the mix reverting from a remixed patch to the original mix.  On this track, oddly, even the reverb tail appears to be the same on both CDs.  Here’s that splice, with the two versions playing three times through.  Listen for the little hiccup or tick in the EOTC version - Wassplice.mp3


Track 8, Soliloquy.  I think this is the original mix, start to finish.  The only spot I could find where there may be a reverb difference is at “My kid ain’t even been born yet.”  I can’t tell.


ADDENDUM:  SH.TV member David M. Bond has brought up the following areas for further dissection.


<<Matt,


There are differences in I Have Dreamed and You'll Never Walk Alone...I think!


Not by CDs at the moment so this is from memory


As IHD builds to the climax, the original CD seems to struggle trying not to peak and wabbles or feels sort of about to erupt whereas the EOTC sounds fine to the end with the added long reverb at the end.>>


The reverb differences at the end were addressed above and elsewhere, as, yes, there is definitely some digital reverb tacked on to the end of some tracks on the EOTC version, but that by itself does not indicate a remix necessarily, as reverb can certainly be added in the mastering of the same old 2-track tape.


Below are four sections from the climax of I Have Dreamed.  Each is level balanced, to remove the “louder is better” or “louder is a different mix” pieces from the puzzle.  I don’t hear any differences in the mix, but others can listen and comment -- I certainly could be wrong, especially where this disc is concerned!  These are in wav format.


Clip 1 DreamEnding1x2.wav

Clip 2 DreamEnding2x2.wav

Clip 3 DreamEnding3x2.wav

Clip 4 Dreamending4x2.wav


<<On You'll Never Walk Alone, near the end, probably mentioned before


1987 You'll Neeveerr Walk Der Dum AAAlone

EOTC You'll Neeveerr Walk Dum AAAlone and 2012 disc


Not sure if this was just an blip edited out on the EOTC or what.>>


As far as that little blip goes, that’s just a poor edit, one that most likely was made on the three-track tape and was then duped onto the two-track tape.  Below you will hear three clips:  1.) The 1987 CD; 2.) The EOTC CD; 3.) The 1987 CD edited to remove the blip.  The blip, then, is not an indication of the 3-track tape being used, necessarily.


Click to listen Walk fixup.mp3


That said, David did cause me to look more carefully at this cut, and there are some balance issues that MAY indicate a remix, or may merely be the result of compression being added.  Listen to the horns in the right channel vis a vis the strings in the left: WalkingHornsRedux.wav


As I said in one of my first notes about this album being a remix or not, it’s a tough nut to crack, and I’m far from decided on this one!